BCSPL v Metro Soccer v DIV 1

Discussion in 'Youth Leagues & Cups' started by LFC, Jan 13, 2016.

  1. socceroo

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    Click on link below to see BC SPL schedule and results from play offs this weekend.

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  2. TKBC

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    I don't know about others but I don't think anyone said BCSPL was not above MSL - some have argued there are MSL teams that are better than BCSPL and if you look at some BCSPL records you can surely find an argument. My point - and others have agreed - we need to get all the top players in BCSPL. Currently many very good, BCSPL-level, players have not joined. Something needs to be done to encourage/entice more of the top players to join. You'll never get all of them of course.

    Keep in mind these games are the 4th place BCSPL team - not the 6-7-8th place BCSPL team.

    I think people, when they say MSL teams are "better" or "good enough" are referring to the bottom end BCSPL teams that get 1 win in a season, or 1 goal (yes 1 team only scored 1 goal)....

    For me it's about getting all the best players. I have no issue with which teams are in the league. It's worth discussing if Vancouver Island should be in the league, or replace them with a lower mainland team, I think. I think VI should have it's own league, but allow them the ability to challenge for the Premier Cup if they choose.
     
  3. easoccer

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    The problem with BCSPL is that the teams are on competing clubs. Had they been run independently I'm sure there would be more promotion from the clubs to the BCSPL.
     
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  4. socceroo

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    This where we have good in Fraser Valley. The District Model BCSPL in Fraser Valley should have been the way to implement the program.

    This way there would more club support then under current model.
     
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    LangleyFC has the BCSPL. LUSC does not.

    This year I signed up for the Dads program and played some spring soccer with them. As someone from Newton, on the outside, listening to the conversations of LUSC coaches and club staff, I can tell you 100% that they have the same issues that we do in Newton. Infighting over players, over field space, etc.

    Wherever you go these issues exist.
     
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    Historically there has been plenty of bad blood between LFC and LUSA

    LFC 5 years ago or so was strictly a girls club (and the club itself was only formed after some internal squabbles within LUYSA).
     
  7. TKBC

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    You are saying the BCSPL club in FV should have been a club model not a district one?

    It was. Abbotsford won the first franchise, but the club was falling into turmoil at the time. I stand behind my statements any "Fraser Valley" team has to be based on Abby or Aldergrove. Langley and Chilliwack are too far to one end of the valley.
     
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    LUSA in a disagreement? Maybe it's time someone explored the common denominator.
     
  9. easoccer

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    I think socceroo was saying that a district, not club approach, is/was the correct approach for the fraser valley.
     
  10. 4_the_kids

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    To further this , Fraser Valley Premier is a a club model with a district board....

    What is Fraser Valley Premier?
    Fraser Valley Premier is the name of the BC Soccer Premier League ( BCSPL ) program that operates within Preston GM Langley FC. In addition, all BCSPL teams play under the Fraser Valley Premier name. The four Partner clubs Chilliwack FC, Abbotsford Soccer, Aldergrove Soccer and Preston GM Langley FC form a High Performance Committee which governs the BCSPL franchise within the Preston GM Langley FC Club.

    It is a bit different than some other programs, and currently Langley United is not a Valley partner... which leads to the competing clubs argument and the in fighting / fall outs..

    The district based franchises is the best /simplest way to resolve these issues... that said the new South Fraser will have two franchises...
     
  11. TKBC

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    I actually don't know what's the best model. But, I would suggest each "district" or "club" will require a model unique to it's region. For example Surrey United and CMF are running a wonderful program, by all accounts, so why should they "lose" their franchise to the district? But, I also suggest that Surrey and Tri-Cities have unique needs so they should not be required to follow the same model? I am not sure.

    I think a district model in Fraser Valley is the correct model, I just believe to truly serve the entire district it should be located in Aldergrove or Abbotsford for ease of access. I'd be interested to know what percentage of players on FVP teams are from outside the Fraser Valley district. But then the question is what % is acceptable? I don't know that either. In a perfect world 100% of the FVP players, IMO, would be from Fraser Valley, and those teams would be competitive, and educational/developmental. I am hearing good things about FVP now. You'll always have issues with any club and within any team so it will never be perfect. But, I am hearing good things and this is excellent for the Fraser Valley. So the model appears to be working now.
     
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    BCSPL v Metro Soccer v DIV 1 ???
     
  14. easoccer

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    The problem is that Div 1, MSL, and BCSPL are all different leagues with different people running them. Why would MSL want to fold into BCSPL? I can understand Div 1 playing in MSL, but then there are clubs that will have upwards of 4 teams in a group. I can understand why they would want to limit to the top talent.

    I think that ALL levels from the bottom to the top should be within the same clubs. Allow a proper pathway for players, and foster club pride. Provide a clear pathway for TEAMS to be promoted and/or relegated.

    Standards must be met on players, coaches, staff, and prior year performance. Maybe hold a round robin each year with the top Div 2 teams against the Div 1)
    Div 1 - BCSPL - MAX one spot per club in each age. Traveling within province (if you dont have the talent partner with another club)
    Div 2 - MSL - Traveling within 100km. Max one spot per club in each age. Geographically minded groups with crossover games.

    Div 3 - Div 1 - Traveling within metro area. (whole lower mainland) Primarily district groups with some district cross over games.
    Div 4 - Div 2 - Traveling within metro area. District only.
    All teams Div 4 and above must be selected. YEARLY.
    Div 5 - Div 3 - Local groups if possible, if not then travel to fill groups.
    Div 6 - Div 4 - Local groups if possible, if not then travel to fill groups.
    Div 7 - Teams that currently cant compete in div 4.
     
  15. TKBC

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    What people forget about BCSPL pricing though is this: it's about the same total as what Metro and Super Y was. But there are also additional costs for food, travel etc.

    Regardless, the BCSPL costs are way too high. I've heard from reliable sources the portion of the fees that go to coach honorarium is too large a portion.
     
  16. 4_the_kids

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    Too high based off what criteria? If the costs were truly to high then these teams would struggle to fill their roster, this is not the case... I don't think a truly talented player would be turned away for cost , I think it would be worked out with the family. There is a sense of elitism with these franchises but its more than just the money...
     
  17. TKBC

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    Based on my dream of a free-for-all sport probably ;) LOL.

    I can argue that we price kids out long before BCSPL, in truth. Kids who can afford it when they are young are still able to afford it when they are teens.
     
  18. Metro Dad

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    Would never put my kid back in SPL. He gets as good a quality of coaching on his particular Metro team, and do not believe anyone who tells you that only SPL level players are eligible for scholarships.
     
  19. TKBC

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    If you look at the current u18 Whitecaps residency roster - you'll notice of the 15 BC-based players, 5 are from metro/gold.

    SPL is essentially the only route to the Provincial Program - although there is a way for MSL players to get a trial with PTP.

    SPL is not the only route to ... anything really. The problem is if you aren't in Whitecaps or PTP the national program will never notice you. I understand streamlining resources. But, to help this and help themselves MSL and Div 1 should get their act together and start developing their own university scouting programs. A couple tournaments etc, for example.
     
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    I can remember the exact details but wasn't the just completed National championships the last ones that BC would be represented by SPL teams? I believe starting for the 2017 Nationals, the age groups are changing to U15 (Fredericton) and U17 (Calgary) and SPL teams are not competing.
     

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