Why No Metro Players on BC Provincial Teams?

I suggest you check out the information available on the BC Soccer website under "Player" -> "High Performance" -> BC Soccer High Performance Program...HERE. This process has been in place since at least early 2014 if not longer and the information has been clearly posted on their website in that same time.

Players may be recommended to BC Soccer Development Staff by a member club technical director or team head coach at any time. Player Recommendations must be submitted on the following Player Recommendation Form which can be downloaded by clicking on the following link:

Link: Player Recommendation Form

Following the receipt of a player recommendation form players may be scouted by BC Soccer Development Staff and/or an EA Sports BC Soccer Premier League club technical staff member or designated trained scout/coach to gain further insight on this player’s potential for further evaluation, recommendation and selection.

It is recommended that those players who aspire to enter the high performance stream of play should first contact a regional based EA Sports BC Soccer Premier League member club to gain information on potential assessment and their age specific player evaluation schedule. See below for member club contact for further information on the EA Sports BCSPL please click on the following

link: EA Sports BC Soccer Premier League ​

Perhaps a better question to ask is why a head coach or technical director is not connecting talented players with the identification pathway?

 

It's got nothing to do with TD's "not connecting" them. You are completely out of touch if you think every player "good enough" for BCSPL can actually afford it or has the ability to get to the training and games. Not to mention just because someone is a BCSPL coach doesn't make them the best coach to develop kids.

 

exactly.

Not just finances - some kids live more than an hour from the nearest BCSPL team. So they choose to play on another team and focus on school and friendships, but because of that have no chance at all in this province.

Then again, let's say a kid is good enough for BCSPL. That's minimum $2500 a year. Say they start at u13. That's $10k+ . Just for the gamble that they will get a CIS scholarship (cuz don't kid yourself - only an extremely small percentage of BCSPL kids are getting NCAA shols - the NCAA schols go to WFC, TFC, Impact) worth about $1-2k per year, a parking spot and early reg. Keeping in mind plenty of MSL and Div 1 kids make college teams. Is spending that much money/time worth it for the very very slim shot at a scholarship and look at by the Whitecaps? Don't forget the Whitecaps scout and sign kids nationwide (and some Americans). IMO, do whatever it takes to reduce fees. You then, and only then, will get the best kids together - not considering those with low income that can't afford any sports teams. (but that's a diff't problem).

I agree with BCSPL - just not how it's run currently.

 

TKBC - if you read the final line in my post again I am speaking specifically to the identification pathway for the BCSA HPP. I am not speaking about pushing players into BCSPL programs. I am all to well aware of the reasons why an individual who should be playing BCSPL may choose not to play BCSPL. I was quite deliberate with my wording - there is an "identification" pathway in place that allows anyone the opportunity to be considered for BCSA HP programs regardless of their participation in the BCSPL.

If "Metro Dad" truly feels there are players on his son's team that should be considered for the BCSA HPP then he should push his head coach or TD to recommend those players for HPP identification. This does not require those players to play BCSPL in order to be considered for HPP placement.

I hope that clarifies the intention behind my earlier post.

 

I've scanned these documents tonite and interpret that a recommendation can be made by a "member club" TD or coach. I think that means a TD/coach from from a BCSPL member club. If that's true, clubs that have a BCSPL team, then a Metro players probably has exposure or access the club's TD or HPL coach.

So, for a community club that doesn't have a BCSPL team, the aspiring player will need to request an evaluation by a BCSPL team. I assume the Metro player also needs to request an evaluation regardless of club affiliation. Am I wrong on that?

And does a recommendation mean a direct path to a Provincial Team, or does it mean the aspiring Metro player now needs to navigate through the HPP program, which *hen *could* lead to assignment to a Provincial Team? I saw news articles about HPP participants going through at least 3 phases... Is there a cost involved with HPP? And is the player now removed from his Metro team/club?

As I said, I only scanned the articles/documents, so I might be way off on this interpretation.

 

I do apologize, I may not be following you. Players have to be in BCSPL to be in PTP. TD's and HC's can "push" players at lower than BCSPL levels to be considered for PTP all they want - BCSA will say "has to be in BCSPL to be considered". It would be a waste of time for the TD and HC to "push". That's the issue. I know what the pathway description says on the BCSA site - coaches/TD's can submit a non-BCSPL players name for consideration. But the site clearly says they want every kid on PTP to be in BCSPL. Unless a player is of truly exceptional ability the response that player will receive at assessment is "you are good, please join BCSPL and we will evaluate you over the course of the season" even if that player is already good enough for PTP at that moment. Because, BCSA knows that if a player in MSL or D1 makes the PTP other kids will leave BCSPL and join lower levels which reduces the overall quality and integrity of their model. You don't need to read "between the lines" to know this is BCSA's position - they state it very clearly on their web site.

Are there many MSL or D1 players good enough for PTP? Probably not. Very few I imagine. But, if the appropriate changes to BCSPL were made then more players of that ilk/ability would join that league that currently aren't.

I am a big fan of BCSPL....in theory. It requires serious tweaking and that has to start with the cost of the program. I think to make it a more legit program you also have to move MSL and D1 to the same spring-summer-fall game/training schedule. D2 and down can remain fall-winter-spring. And probably D2 and down should all be noted as "rec." Many D1 teams are "rec" I understand, but the top performing teams of D1 have some fairly serious kids on them, and certainly the lower performing teams do too.

 

Hi metro dad - I have heard the exact same feedback from many. It's not value for money for all. Be it the quality of the league, the quality of the coaching, or the individual players ability to develop rapport and friendships with their teammates or a combo of the three - in other cases it's a time/money/travel issue. I have no doubt many really enjoy their time in the league or with their respective team. I have no doubt some have had wonderful experiences.

I have also heard of a D1 team smashing an SPL team a couple times in training games. It's not unusual for lower level teams to be able to outperform SPL teams. Would they do so against the mid-table or top SPL teams? Probably not, but the fact it can be done against any of the so-called elite teams says something.

I disagree with pro-rel though. BUT, I do agree that a team that gets smashed in BCSPL every week for a year or two should probably be re-worked. I don't know what the solution is though in a franchise-based system that SPL is.

 

I think the LTPL model is a way to build from the ground up. The BCSPL model needs tweeking to allow a clear pathway. The cost/time/ value for money will always be restrictive.

I'm a "rugby guy". The "Premier League" concept started in the mid 1990's for mens rugby. What has happened since is that clubs that failed to make "Premier" have slowly died off. There are fewer clubs. Less membership= fewer registration dollars and participants. In turn the Canadian mens team has gone from a world ranking of around 11th-18 or 19. Although there are many other factors for this as well. It may not be a fair comparison but the fact is that if the model decreases overall membership to focus on the top 1% then the future looks bleak for the long term. Organizations need to focus on all levels from the CSA down. Parents and kids will see where the bulk of their registration dollars are being focussed. If they see a lack of organization,fun etc. etc. they simply will not join again.

Maybe dropping the Metro league is a start.?? More ideas are needed though.

 

Thanks. When read in that way, out of context it looks bad. Hopefully people read the entire post!

 

You would not put "the worst" of Div 1 with the strong div 1 teams. The "worst" of Div 1 would be put in a new remodelled div 2 for example.

Either MSL needs to be directly linked to BCSPL either in a pyramid or organizational structure of some kind, MSL has to join the divisions, or MSL has to be taken over and standardized on it's own akin to what NASL is to MLS. But it can't stay as it is.

And yes, just like in professional football where the top of the Championship in England can beat the bottom of the premier you will have overlap. But those are professionals, not kids. So we can't look at it like pro-rel needs to happen for our kids.

The pathway is actually very clear. I agree with the pathway. What I don't agree with is the cost to be in the top of the pathway to then be considered for the PTP or Whitecaps. That's the issue with the pathway. Outside of the pathway issues, regardless of what BCSA/BCSPL try to say, the league does not follow or ensure it's standards are being met, nor ensuring they are in fact the top of the top in all aspects of the game. There are some very talented players and coaches in MSL and Div 1. I don't suspect there are more than a very small handful of Div 2 players good enough for BCSPL, but I do suspect there are some talented coaches!

What we need to eliminate is the roadblocks. The biggest one, and most easily corrected one, is the cost right now for the MSL and BCSPL teams. Divisions are affordable for almost everyone but there will always be exceptions of course, thus you have programs like KidsSport. The next roadblock is travel time and time commitment - but that is not something really within the control of BCSA because I do agree with where the BCSPL teams are located to a degree. Okanagan and Van Island need to be in the league. But, for whatever reason they struggle massively. Fraser Valley also has a history of struggle, and those issues are generally caused due to travel time, and lack of quality coaching (from the feedback I've received from many, in many different age groups), and the lack of ensuring certain standards are met.

 

BCPL coach,s very rarely go to watch Metro or Div 1 games either cus they don,t have time or simply cus they can,t be bothered . There is no way any of these TD,s or BCPL coach,s will recommend a non BCPL player .

 

don't read too much into exhibition games. i remember losing a pre-season exhibition 6-0, then beating that same team less than a month later in the opening league game. it happens.

but, i totally get your point, and agree. on paper there is a path for non-BCSPL players to get reviewed for the PTP.....I'd like to know how many non-BCSPL players are getting called out for more than one trial at the PTP program without being told after the first one "please join BCSPL"

 

Our entire infrastructure is garbage in this sport. We have several people from the same clique involved in making most soccer related decisions, its the same with Soccer Canada, starting from my old friend Vic Montagliani all the way down through BC Soccer and the WhiteCaps...all filled with ex Columbus connections, friends and friends of friends.

Your son wouldn't be overlooked in a Soccer Nation, because in those country's, they have respect for talent and will do everything possible to assist that kid and ensure he remains part of a professional system, He we have a bunch of people that try to behave professionally and are clearly at the 3rd world level in this sport.

I suggest you don't worry so much about the politics, neither you nor I will ever change this crappy system we have in this country, its not hockey...its soccer!