Are metro coaches allowed to bring players from HPL?

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  1. soccer123

    soccer123 New Member

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    Hi,
    It has been brought to my attention that some teams in the boys metro select league are bringing in players from HPL to play some regular season games. I was wondering if players are allowed to be brought in from HPL to play "some" games and then leave right after? Are the coaches of these teams allowed to bring players to help them out in "tough games"? Or do they have to formally transfer completely and play the entire season?
    Thanks.
     
  2. easoccer

    easoccer Established Member

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    Its possible to have metro players on a team, that get permitted up to hpl, and then people recognize them as hpl when they come back down.
     
  3. TKBC

    TKBC Established Member

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    No.
    Page 22. http://metroselectleague.ca/wp/wp-c...2015-16-MSL-Policy-and-Information-Manual.pdf

    Players registered to one level of play may not be permitted to play at a lower level unless they complete a BCSA transfer. If memory serves a player can only transfer once per season.

    Not sure if, for example, a u15 BCSPL player could be permitted to play u16 MSL.
     
  4. Soccer-dad-NV

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    BCSPL is considered a higher level of play than Metro so the same rule applies for the U15 player. They would not be able to 'permit down'.

    It would be hard for a BCSPL registered player to get away with playing a Metro game if ID cards are checked by referees before games. Which is standard practice by referees. There are Metro players on BCSPL 'training rosters' that can train and play exhibition matches only. Some BCSPL get cut or quit as well.
     
  5. TKBC

    TKBC Established Member

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    Thanks soccer dad - I thought so but wasn't totally sure.

    I think the scenario others have described in that BCSPL players often train with a BCSPL team but are not registered in BCSPL - they often play on permit with the BCSPL team thus giving the appearance they are a BCSPL player. So when that player turns up in a MSL game it also has the appearance that a BCSPL player has essentially permitted down.

    Now that said, if the MSL game sheet notes a player in that game is there with a permit, but that player is being permitted from a BCSPL team - that's a huge no no.
     
  6. LauraH

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    The way I've always understood it is that you can only permit "up", not "down". This means in both age and level. You also can't permit across (ie, if a club has 2 teams in one MSL age group, they can't share players).
    Anyone playing would need a permit and id card though, so I'm not sure how they would be able to play "down" as long as the ref is checking.
     
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    It's likely a case of a kid who is training with BCSPL or playing with BCSPL on permit is returning to play with their normal MSL team, but this then has the appearance of a kid being permitted down from BCSPL to MSL, which wouldn't be the case. Certainly not the case if they are following the rules and the ref is paying attention anyway.

    If a child registers with a silver team for example, and that child then goes to register with a MSL team when that MSL team is applying for a card is there some form of background check which would show the child is already registered to a silver team?
     
  8. Soccer-dad-NV

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    The district registrars have an ID card for everyone registered. They would have a record/data on all so a Silver to Gold, Gold to Metro etc. Is no problem. I think 'out of district' players can only move if they did not register in thier district first I think.
     
  9. LauraH

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    I believe it's only within their club. Someone would have to check with the registrar.
     
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    All registrations go through a District Registrar, regardless of level. He/she would be able to catch any players trying to register twice. The BCSA system may not even allow it. I'm not sure if it's an automatic flag, or if it requires the data entry person (district registrar) to catch it.
     
  11. easoccer

    easoccer Established Member

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    I registered my daughter for a club and then switched due to certain conflicts. I received a call from the club because the district registrar wanted us to confirm which club she would play for.

    So no it is not possible to be registered in 2 clubs, but that wouldnt stop a player from playing on 2 teams in the same club.

    And it also depends on the ref. Many times I have been handed the cards and asked to call my own players names while the ref checks the list, but not the faces.
     
  12. FB1

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    If a player is playing on two teams in the same club - and not on a permit, then the club is knowingly breaking the rules and likely falsifying the second ID card. The system doesn't allow a player to be "registered" to two teams - even in the same club, and a District Registrar shouldn't issue two ID cards to the same player.

    In fact, a coach who coaches two teams is not supposed to have two ID cards. Nobody should have two ID cards.
     
  13. easoccer

    easoccer Established Member

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    Im not saying its allowed just that it could happen. But not above board.
     
  14. LFC

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    The BCPSL have a break now and as the OP wrote , some of the BCSPL players are coming to play in Metro & Div 1 .
    I don,t mind the players moving down to Metro but def should not be allowed to move down to Div 1 ,Div 2 etc.
    Dist 5 has already failed with the tierring with unbalanced Divs and now they should not make the competition even more lopsided cus these BCSPL players are not going to join the team who are struggling , they will go to the top 2-3 teams .
     
  15. TKBC

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    Can't stop kids from signing for whatever team they want. Let's be clear, the players aren't "moving down" as that sounds like it's a permit scenario. A kid who was BCSPL and is now playing Div 1 or metro has fully transferred to that Div 1 or Metro team.

    There are a thousand reasons why a player would sign for a Div 1 instead of a MSL team after having been on a BCSPL team.
     

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