BCSPL Franchise @ NAP - Pros/Cons ?

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  1. LFC

    LFC Active Member

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    BCSPL franchise at NAP ?

    Great facilities
    Nearly 5000 players
    Deep talent pool of players
    Team standings/performances in MSL, Div 1 & Surrey District Cup prove that the talent is there.
    Maybe the Newton clubs could work together if there was an incentive of a BCSPL spot.
    Plz post your views/opinions
     
  2. TKBC

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    Already have clubs in Cloverdale and White Rock, plus Langley and Coquitlam. Plenty of options for Newton-based kids to play.

    The only reason to have a club based out of Newton is if one of the other BCSPL franchises fold.
     
  3. easoccer

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    Honestly, its a shame that a park with 2 of the most succesful clubs in the lower mainland (1 being the largest in BC) doesnt have a TOP level team / franchise. People say there are a lot of politics in Newton, but I say the fact we dont have one here is a pretty big political issue in itself. It doesnt make any sense to me at all.
     
  4. 4_the_kids

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    In short , I am sorry but there is no way these clubs will ever work together to create something bigger and better. Just look at the history among them, everyone seems to forget 5 years ago CCB was Whalley soccer club playing out of Tom Binnie. At the time BCSPL franchise were awarded Surrey youth was the only club in Newton and its membership half the size. Surrey United was the bigger club at that time and partnered with GAC and Langley United. Coastal was formed to get a franchise and so on. It made sense at the time. All the politics of Newton started after neither club was awarded a franchise and failed mergers and take over attempts have been the norm ever since.

    Surrey Youth currently has the better program and TD, however over the past year with the CCB fall out certain people from that group are starting to get in with Surrey Youth and I see what they were building being ruined by these people, I sincerely hope I am wrong , i just don't hold much hope ...

    There is so much that needs to change with these clubs, starting with the personal. what amazes me is anyone can look at the programs Coastal, Surrey United, Coquitlam Metro are building and the momentum and relative successes coming from them , yet the people in Newton don't want to follow suit and create similar sound structures.

    This why I believe BCSPL franchise should be independent to any club , it eliminates all of this. Bottom line is the city of Surrey all ready has two franchises , that is one more than any other city ....

    If the Newton clubs supported player development and helped and supported their top players to go to BCSPL , their dominance in Metro and div 1 might not be as much... maybe if these clubs could show a willingness to be a partner club and create quality programming supporting it, then maybe...
     
  5. TKBC

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    Coastal FC was created long before BCSPL. See the Super Y League.

    If these kids on SFC and CCB that play MSL or Div 1 that are good enough to play BCSPL choose not to - it's not because the club is "holding them back" or "not supporting them." SFC and CCB cannot stop any player from leaving and joining those BCSPL franchises. The BCSPL is not a secret. So there is some other reason these players are staying in MSL/Div1 and choosing not to play BCSPL. I know from kids I have coached why they aren't in BCSPL (either choose not to tryout, or play BCSPL and then choose to leave the league) but that's not the discussion here. I suspect the kids in Surrey of the BCSPL-level but choose not to play would have similar reasons to the kids I've coached who choose not to be in the league for 1 reason or another.

    I do agree though, that it appears SFC and CCB do not support or recommend their players go to BCSPL, and out of loyalty a lot of them probably agree with the club recommendation and remain MSL or D1. Surrey FC web site doesn't mention BCSPL in it's pathway. It has a link to the BC PTP info, and has no mention of BCSPL on that site.

    CCB also doesn't appear to have any mention of BCSPL on it's site.

    Neither club has any real reason to mention BCSPL as they aren't linked to that league. But, I do think they have a moral directive to accurately provide the soccer pathway in this province to it's members. I think the Club Standard Charter requires something like this to be on every club web site (sorry if that's wrong, haven't memorized the charter).
     
  6. 4_the_kids

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    The biggest issue of kids not going to BCSPL from Newton is just the lack of understanding mainly from the parents of what it is. Most just don't know then you have coaches telling these parents to stay with them, don't worry about it blah blah blah,....Most don't even go to the try out despite getting the invite, this is where the clubs need to step in and provide better support. I may be generalizing a bit as there are exceptions to this...
    This pull of stay with us, team thing is very strong, and i am sure not just in that community. Parent education is a big part of the battle and none of the clubs in Newton are doing anything to help educate the parents, parent who don't read emails, don't go to the website, might not speak or read English well etc.. these groups are easily manipulated by coaches and other parents because they don't understand so they go with what they trust. The coaches get the information but do not pass it on ...
    Think, if you have a top U12 team , and are looking at losing 3 or 4 of your best players to BCSPL , the team is no longer strong, has to now play down a level or two or hope top recruit new players , but if a coach can convince the players to stay then he keeps his strong team and strokes his ego a little more. This whole mentality of my team , winning we are the best kills all hope of development. We are a full generation away from this changing in my opinion.
     
  7. easoccer

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    If BCSPL were a dstrict program where coaches had the ability to openly scout district players without repercussion and invite them for a tryout then they would have a better chance at getting players. Unfortunately its not and the clubs that have BCSPL teams are in direct competition with clubs that dont have a team. So on one side you have clubs that promote their own players from within and take the occaional player, but then you also have the clubs that have players good enough, but dont want to support the other clubs programs. It's a catch 22.
     
  8. 4_the_kids

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    Agreed!
     
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    I like the idea of a Newton-based BCSPL team - I know in our MSL group that did well at provincials, none of the players were asked to play up on our coastal FC BCSPL team - even though several of our best players had aspirations. If we are going to keep the BCSPL teams as-is, then why don't we at least have tryouts with MSL level players. (I agree we should not open it up like we do the other levels)
     
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    With all the politics apparently happening in "Newton", is it really believable that the BCSPL would want to bring that into the league?
     
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    Honestly im sure these kinds of things happen everywhere. This is more high profile due to the media coverage and size of ccb. Put any other 2 clubs in the same clubhouse and see what happens.
     
  12. 4_the_kids

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    Not until it all gets fixed.
    Very true, CCB could have stayed at Tom Binnie, however they saw an opportunity to grow by tapping into the summer soccer and Indo community as such needed the bigger park.
     
  13. SoccerMom

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    City has to be held responsible for putting two rival clubs in one park. Did anyone expect anything different?

    In my opinion BCSPL should be rewarded to clubs developing players. If this was the case there would have been a franchise at SFC.

    Before BCSPL 2 out of every 5 provincial players came from SFC. Remember seeing this on a graph a few years back.
     
  14. TKBC

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    All they had to do was fill out a trial request form on the Coastal FC BCSPL web site.
     
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    The players I refer to have filled out the form. I've talked with the parents. However, seems the BCSPL team is full and there is no interest to take on other players. Surely 1 or 2 of the best kids from a provincial championship MSL team deserve placement on their club's BCSPL team if they are keen and willing to pay the fees. What are the stats of MSL players joining BCSPL U15-U18? I would guess it would be low if this is any indication.
     
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    I'd be very interested in seeing this graph (as well as finding out who the source was in generating it). 40% of all BC Provincial Program players seems a bit far-fetched to me!
     
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    You do realise that these players can play for any BCSPL team - there are no boundaries... if they are truly keen to play at the highest level?
     
  18. 4_the_kids

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    You would have to talk with the coach and club TD to get the answer, the rest of us can only speculate.
    I think these teams do not have enough movement in that they are not overly willing to cut players to make room for new players. That said i guess one has to ask is the players available really better than what the team already has? I would think if the player was good enough they would make room but for players equal to what they already have there probably isn't much movement. They could and probably should at the very least bring them out to train with them and play an exhibition game to get a true evaluation though.
    There is movement with players getting selected to Whitecaps or players choosing another sport or stepping down for whatever reason...
    If BCSPL is working right the very best are playing there meaning there are very good players , players close to if not equal to BCSPL player playing in MSL , which is a good thing, it means roster spots should be challenged constantly.
     
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    They don't "deserve" a spot. Also, if one BCSPL team isn't interested in trials or looking at new players you can bet other BCSPL teams would be.
     
  20. TKBC

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    Also you can't look purely at numbers like this to determine who is developing the best players. I am more interested in percentages than flat numbers. I am also more interested in which clubs are developing the most Whitecaps-level players, not the most PTP-level players.
     

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