Sunny Surrey: Pacific United Suspended

This is very common at younger ages. You have teams that pick up the best players they can find playing teams with last minute throw together teams.

There is no real tiering at this age.

If they are that good, enter in u10 pds and only play similar level. I think on Oct 1 teams that missed earlier deadline can enter pds.

easoccer said:

Not sure about the other stuff, but to give credit to a system of development would take years. Not a single year with players formerly developed by other clubs.

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easoccer said:

Not sure about the other stuff, but to give credit to a system of development would take years. Not a single year with players formerly developed by other clubs.

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Can' speak for others but since moved over to PUFC last year, I see big difference in our team,with good coaching.

Basically, you are paying your registration fee, and then required to pay up to another $50 month on top for a hired trainer. Any team in any club can do the same thing. In fact, my team does as well, and it has helped a lot. But this is the issue at hand. To be a part of the the club (PUFC), which is NFP, you must pay to hire a coach that is working through an FP, which is Pro Touch. People running both are the same, so the lines between the 2 are blurred.

I'm not one to say who is right or wrong. Let them figure it out.

easoccer said:

Basically, you are paying your registration fee, and then required to pay up to another $50 month on top for a hired trainer. Any team in any club can do the same thing. In fact, my team does as well, and it has helped a lot. But this is the issue at hand. To be a part of the the club (PUFC), which is NFP, you must pay to hire a coach that is working through an FP, which is Pro Touch. People running both are the same, so the lines between the 2 are blurred.

I'm not one to say who is right or wrong. Let them figure it out.

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AS you mention, pay $50.00 per month, are you saying that parents at PUFC are paying that or your own club? No one at PUFC is paying $50 per month for coaching, I did not and talking to other parents all the time, they did neither. So who ever is spreading this, has wrong information. We only paid registration fees. Few of us, parents, actually offered to pay for hired coach for our team which PUFC said, no thanks.

Its written on the pufc registration. Easily obtainable from their website. Of course they collect the trainer fee up front. Unless they are giving certain teams prefferential treatment that differs from the registration form for 2016/17. Then thats another matter.

Furthermore, if you paid the $650 as listed on the registration form for u11 div1, then that includes coaching fees. Whomever is coaching your team is supposed to be getting paid that fee. If you then went and asked to hire a trainer there is no wonder they said no thanks. It should be included.

If you paid less than the $650, then they gave you a discount that is contrary to the registration.

It's written in BCSA policy that you can't bring a lawyer into a Discipline hearing. The policy is posted on their website for anyone to read.

easoccer said:

Its written on the pufc registration. Easily obtainable from their website. Of course they collect the trainer fee up front. Unless they are giving certain teams prefferential treatment that differs from the registration form for 2016/17. Then thats another matter.

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You are right. It is on the form. But we paid only Regi fees not total included coach's fees.

LauraH said:

It's written in BCSA policy that you can't bring a lawyer into a Discipline hearing. The policy is posted on their website for anyone to read.

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That make sense.

Soccer dad said:

You are right. It is on the form. But we paid only Regi fees not total included coach's fees.

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It does not have any indication you can opt out. I guess its good for you though. I wouldnt be inclined register anywhere a trainer fee is mandatory.

Soccer dad said:

2006 born gold team crushed opponent by 16-0 on 24th Sep game. That team requested the league that they wanted to play year up, gold but were denied. That team was playing year up last year and beating the teams and that's where they belong.

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BINGO!!! Although one year with a good coach can definitely make a difference.

TKBC said:

BINGO!!! Although one year with a good coach can definitely make a difference.

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Exactly, my point. Yes, good players develop by other clubs, when they move to other clubs, does not mean they will perform the same way. Good coach makes huge difference. Look at Pittsburg NHL team last year

I sense as I follow this post and how it has evolved that many equate wins to development. There in-lies part of the issue with some of these clubs. It is a win at all costs mentality. Which is absolutely the wrong approach towards development. And when I say at all costs I am talking cheating, lying and paying people under the table so that they will volunteer and or coach. Its disgusting and although some of these travelling teams (club to club to club) may win trophies they are doing nothing as far as development as it pertains to life skills.

The parents involved might think they are shielding the children from the nonsense but those car rides home and the dinner talk with parents does end up into the mentality of the children.

I was at an exec meeting once for a club i was involved in and it was also a coaches meeting. The president handed out mini trophies to the coaches and said there you go, you got your stupid trophy. Now go out and develop athletes and young people into quality citizens. that resonates with me.

I hope one day that the Surrey clubs can all realize at some point its not always about winning! Winning is a function of development for sure bit not a direct correlation.

Soccer dad said:

Update With PUFC suspension/hearing, date was 24th September. PUFC reps were told that they can bring in observers and when they showed up with one of them which I believe was a lawyer, hearing was cancelled and PUFC was told that they can't have some one out side of club. Are not these
games playing by SMSA or BCSA? truth should come out. does not matter if it is against or in favor of PUFC directors.
By the way, on the weekend, almost all of the PUFC teams playing under SMSA won by big margins. could this be co incidence or do they have better system, is the reason why most players and parents did not wanted to leave the club and go to other clubs, which SMSA was basically trying to do

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After your post I did some investigation about if the observer was a lawyer, yet another lie you got to do your research before you post what you believe. Don't just rely on what BCS says. One thing is for sure right in all this, I never thought PUFC would last that long in this whole process Vs BCS and there is something BCS has to hide on Sep24 when they cancelled the hearing without a reason.

Shawn Gill said:

After your post I did some investigation about if the observer was a lawyer, yet another lie you got to do your research before you post what you believe. Don't just rely on what BCS says. One thing is for sure right in all this, I never thought PUFC would last that long in this whole process Vs BCS and there is something BCS has to hide on Sep24 when they cancelled the hearing without a reason.

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Shawn, I did some search too. That observer, he is not a lawyer for sure. he is a businessman, smart business man. no, I don't believe in BCS BS from day one my friend and that is the reason my kids are still playing with PUFC under SMSA. SMSA or BCS has to prove those allegations to convince me otherwise.

What are the allegations?

Soccer dad said:

Shawn, I did some search too. That observer, he is not a lawyer for sure. he is a businessman, smart business man. no, I don't believe in BCS BS from day one my friend and that is the reason my kids are still playing with PUFC under SMSA. SMSA or BCS has to prove those allegations to convince me otherwise.

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I just come to know from one of Surrey district person that BCS screwed it up and BCS's whole judiciary process is working back wards. It doesn’t matter what happens at future hearings or meetings one fact is clear that the way its going right now it looks like this matter is heading towards legal institutions and I dont know how much BC Soccer have against PUFC to prove that PUFC is not worth running as a club on and off the field or PUFC have against BCS and its chair who took way too personal.
Sit back and watch. I hope it favours the beautiful game.

The beautiful politics.......yikes

There are a lot of discrediting of PUFC volunteers at Newton Park by the people who were playing along with BCS through lies and false accusations to bring down PUFC, which is a cheap shot. I would like to request all the volunteers at PUFC not to respond to such people, you don't want to descend to thier level. Most of the parents know the reality and we stand with you and support you. Thank you for fighting these Bullies for our kids.

Shawn, I get that you are passionate, and even upset at what is happening at PUFC, but you are not doing any favors by coming on here and throwing out these statements.

We have no idea what "level" anyone is on because there is no real information out there as to what is actually happening. Unless you are on the inside of the squabble. So far it is only rumors.

I will throw this out there though, from my years on the field in Newton, there is not one club that acts any differently from the others around here. They all come from the same place. Remember PUFC is a club with one year on the records. They are built up of people from the other Newton Clubs.

Anyway, Hope it all works out for the kids in the end.